[ Aha but there's a return to the argument topic! ]

Yeah, that's kind of my point, though, is that even for people who are naturally gifted or whatever, if you ask them, they worked hard. And for people who aren't, they also worked hard, it doesn't mean that the talented person didn't. Or, you know, that an untalented person might as well not work so hard because they'll never be as good as the other guy.

[ Oh, but he complimented her-- ]

But thank you.